I was just trying to find the actual formula for evaluating skill level of players. I have been told several different formulas, none of which seem to be accurate! We always hear about innings and defensive shots scored accurately but that makes no sense after what I just saw! Four players from one team were raised one skill level each in just one week!!! I'd like to have the odds of that happening...P.S...they just played a team with two league reps on it last week...hhmmmmmmm
House Pro, Your response is actually inacurate. The Reps go down for meetings with the APA and skill level evaluation of players in their respective leagues is one of the topics of discussion at these meetings. and Jeff. That is an interesting point. May be something to bring up with the league operator maybe they can beter advise you on how this happened.
Do you think a league rep could handle Jeff's problem?
quote:Originally posted by thejoshawatree
House Pro, Your response is actually inacurate. The Reps go down for meetings with the APA and skill level evaluation of players in their respective leagues is one of the topics of discussion at these meetings. and Jeff. That is an interesting point. May be something to bring up with the league operator maybe they can beter advise you on how this happened.
you know the way that things go when what you fight for starts to fall and in that fuzzy picture the writing stands out on the wall so clearly on the wall
send out the signals deep and loud
and in this place, can you reassure me with a touch, a smile - while the cradle's burning all the while the world is turning to noise oh the more that it's surrounding us the more that it destroys turn up the signal wipe out the noise
send out the signals deep and loud
man i'm losing sound and sight of all those who can tell me wrong from right when all things beautiful and bright sink in the night yet there's still something in my heart that can find a way to make a start to turn up the signal wipe out the noise
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Posted 07/20/2010 : 12:02:27 PM
After so many years I still get a kick out of the conclusions people jump to. If I snap my fingers and an apple falls from a nearby tree it doesn't mean my actions caused the apple to drop.
Dave is correct. Playing the reps team had nothing to do with the skill level changes. While reps do have input at the BOG meeting the ultimate decision lies with the office, and had the 4 players skill levels changed as a result of the BOG they would have gotten letters saying they were assigned new skill levels (lowest attainable). This also only happens after a BOG meeting around week 12... not immediately after someone writes you up - not even a rep!
Everones handicap is Calculated independently. Perhaps the simplest answer is the correct one. Perhaps 4 players on your team were close to going up and all 4 triggered this week! That's certainly more plausible to me and anyone who knows what little power a rep actually has in these matters outside the BOG.
However, by all means call the office. 4 players changing is rare and asking them to review the situation is reasonable. It may be the 4 players are new, maybe they played in singles and the scores were added. Ask the questions. It's the only way we'll get past assumptions like this.
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Posted 07/20/2010 : 2:18:25 PM
I'm not saying for sure that Reps can get players skill level raised or lowered without the Bog meeting,But i had one of my players a few years ago tell a Div Rep that he was going to beat him in is match & the Rep advised my player that if he did he would be a 7 next week. They didn't really like each other. Both were 6's. My player won & the next week my player was a 7.
you know the way that things go when what you fight for starts to fall and in that fuzzy picture the writing stands out on the wall so clearly on the wall
send out the signals deep and loud
and in this place, can you reassure me with a touch, a smile - while the cradle's burning all the while the world is turning to noise oh the more that it's surrounding us the more that it destroys turn up the signal wipe out the noise
send out the signals deep and loud
man i'm losing sound and sight of all those who can tell me wrong from right when all things beautiful and bright sink in the night yet there's still something in my heart that can find a way to make a start to turn up the signal wipe out the noise
744 Posts
Posted 07/20/2010 : 2:39:03 PM
Is it possible your player was already on the bog sheet to go up, the rep knew it and wanted to create the illusion pf power?
Any rep will tell you if Terry doesn't see it he will not raise the player. There has to be something there. I've seen reps plead forever and him not relent. A reps input comes into play on borderline players where it could go either way.
Bob Swauger Maryland APA Web Admin
Pool Players, designing for Pool Players. Search is still your friend!
you know the way that things go when what you fight for starts to fall and in that fuzzy picture the writing stands out on the wall so clearly on the wall
send out the signals deep and loud
and in this place, can you reassure me with a touch, a smile - while the cradle's burning all the while the world is turning to noise oh the more that it's surrounding us the more that it destroys turn up the signal wipe out the noise
send out the signals deep and loud
man i'm losing sound and sight of all those who can tell me wrong from right when all things beautiful and bright sink in the night yet there's still something in my heart that can find a way to make a start to turn up the signal wipe out the noise
744 Posts
Posted 07/20/2010 : 2:42:04 PM
I gotta add it's reps who say and act like this who need to be canned. It undermined fairplay and gives reps in general a bad image.
Bob Swauger Maryland APA Web Admin
Pool Players, designing for Pool Players. Search is still your friend!
Yup! very inaccurate. The ApA's Board of Governors, consists of more than 300 division reps from all over to discuss various issues. Skill levels particularly.
The Op made it sound like the division reps had his players moved up from one week to the next, not going to happen. Even at the BOG you can voice your opionion but Terry is the final say, not the reps. So, discussion yes, raised I do not think so.
quote:Originally posted by drew1947
Yup! very inaccurate. The ApA's Board of Governors, consists of more than 300 division reps from all over to discuss various issues. Skill levels particularly.
After so many years I still get a kick out of the conclusions people jump to. If I snap my fingers and an apple falls from a nearby tree it doesn't mean my actions caused the apple to drop.
Dave is correct. Playing the reps team had nothing to do with the skill level changes. While reps do have input at the BOG meeting the ultimate decision lies with the office, and had the 4 players skill levels changed as a result of the BOG they would have gotten letters saying they were assigned new skill levels (lowest attainable). This also only happens after a BOG meeting around week 12... not immediately after someone writes you up - not even a rep!
Everones handicap is Calculated independently. Perhaps the simplest answer is the correct one. Perhaps 4 players on your team were close to going up and all 4 triggered this week! That's certainly more plausible to me and anyone who knows what little power a rep actually has in these matters outside the BOG.
However, by all means call the office. 4 players changing is rare and asking them to review the situation is reasonable. It may be the 4 players are new, maybe they played in singles and the scores were added. Ask the questions. It's the only way we'll get past assumptions like this.
After so many years I still get a kick out of the conclusions people jump to. If I snap my fingers and an apple falls from a nearby tree it doesn't mean my actions caused the apple to drop.
Dave is correct. Playing the reps team had nothing to do with the skill level changes. While reps do have input at the BOG meeting the ultimate decision lies with the office, and had the 4 players skill levels changed as a result of the BOG they would have gotten letters saying they were assigned new skill levels (lowest attainable). This also only happens after a BOG meeting around week 12... not immediately after someone writes you up - not even a rep!
Everones handicap is Calculated independently. Perhaps the simplest answer is the correct one. Perhaps 4 players on your team were close to going up and all 4 triggered this week! That's certainly more plausible to me and anyone who knows what little power a rep actually has in these matters outside the BOG.
However, by all means call the office. 4 players changing is rare and asking them to review the situation is reasonable. It may be the 4 players are new, maybe they played in singles and the scores were added. Ask the questions. It's the only way we'll get past assumptions like this.
First off, I was just making an observation, the players that were raised were not from my team, actually they are from a team within my own division, so actually , it helps my team, so don'they the wrong idea about this. I just find it very curious. I personally think the league should have someone that nobody knows go around and occasionally drop in on a couple matches now and then and have more of a feel of how certain player really shoot. It would certainly take some of the doubts out
And about not being allowed 2 league reps on the same team, that's not true at all, I can give you several teams that have 2 reps on them. While they are not reps for the same division, they are reps none the less..
you know the way that things go when what you fight for starts to fall and in that fuzzy picture the writing stands out on the wall so clearly on the wall
send out the signals deep and loud
and in this place, can you reassure me with a touch, a smile - while the cradle's burning all the while the world is turning to noise oh the more that it's surrounding us the more that it destroys turn up the signal wipe out the noise
send out the signals deep and loud
man i'm losing sound and sight of all those who can tell me wrong from right when all things beautiful and bright sink in the night yet there's still something in my heart that can find a way to make a start to turn up the signal wipe out the noise
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Posted 07/21/2010 : 08:31:38 AM
That is certainly true. They just can't be reps for the same div as you said.
My point wasn't meant to be rude but intended to point out that proximity is not proof. Playing the reps (any reps) teams does not have a thing to do with skill level changes. Reps don't have that pull and those that pretend they do undermine confidence in the system while they try to project power. My post was intended to help dispel that myth because I beleive it hurts the league when people believe this or otherwisre fear playing the reps team. What it does is give the reps team a mental edge because this is in the back of the opponents mind. That's wrong
Bob Swauger Maryland APA Web Admin
Pool Players, designing for Pool Players. Search is still your friend!
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Posted 07/20/2010 : 06:56:54 AM
(Edited 07/20/10 @ 57:18)
Both were 6's. My player won & the next week my player was a 7.
